Palm Springs, Ca – May 31-June 1, 2000
A-Approval as Submitted D-Disapproval
AR-Approval as Revised S-Support
O-Oppose AA-Assembly Action
PC-Public Comment
GJWI-Get Jiggy With It
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Off site transportation of hazardous materials. This could impact home amounts and amounts in B settings. |
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| 1B |
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7904.5-01-01 will give exempt amounts to S-3 that we cannot accept. 8001.14.3.7 is okay in wholesale storage and ales to wholesale, but not retail. |
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| 1D |
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| 1E |
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| 1F |
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Fed regs don’t cover this |
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| 1H |
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| 1I |
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Besides being a bad idea, exceeds density limits |
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| 1J |
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Only if sprinklers are required |
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| 1K |
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8003.6 not willing to drop class 4 oxidizer to class 3 later. Leave class 1 for clarification of other classes. |
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| 1L |
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| 1M |
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| 1N |
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So. Says awkward wording but good definition. Move to first sentence? |
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| 3 |
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Gives more flexibility. Maybe should read other "nationally recognized approved means"? |
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AM&M may not be best approach as best mitigation may not be to shut down or the equivalent of shutting down flow. |
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So. Says why is this even being submitted? |
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Editorial | |
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So. Says Delete parenthetical statement – why only electric vehicles. No. Says to So., "Don’t use words like ‘parenthetical’ which has so many syllables!!!" |
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Delete "electrical vehicle only" |
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Editorial | |
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May have to put explanation of UL 2035 into code. Line personnel do not have copies of UL codes. This will make it difficult for them to enforce. So. Says This hasn’t been a problem and this may eliminate the multi-hazard tanks. |
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A listed atmospheric tank with integral secondary containment and an insulation system intended to reduce the heat transferred to the primary tank when the tank is exposed to a hydrocarbon pool fire, which is also provided with protection from physical damage. |
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So. Says see IFC justification. |
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| 10 |
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Check further for Code placement. |
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Adequate justification? |
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| 12 |
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Adequate justification? |
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Adequate justification? |
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Wait - Need better argument for 10,000 sq ft |
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Not Practical |
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Withdrawn |
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See 18. So. Says proprietary exemption and not justified. |
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Challenge |
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See 16 |
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Withdrawn |
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Don’t sprinklers work? |
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Only change is to reference UL standard and add standard to Article 90 |
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Should be referred |
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No change to section but adds new exception and adds UL standard to Article 90 |
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So. Says too much. |
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| 22 |
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What does it say? Does it require recall in other than high rise (relocate to another section)? Is there something more generic (CA has something different). |
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This or 24 |
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This or 23 | ||
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Needed language |
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Revise 1113.2 by adding "When generators are used as the means of…" to the beginning of the sentence. |
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More Info/Track Record? |
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| 27 |
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Questions from Stockton for past history |
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Add "or an ammonia discharge system is required by 6309" after "required by Section 6308". | |
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As is unless the fix in place; don’t redirect to another code. |
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Substitute amendment to add new exception 3: "When the chief determines that a significant fire-, health- or environmental-hazard would not result from an atmospheric release." |
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There is another way to direct the material to a dilution unit with the pressure problems of a diffuser. Will explain what Stockton did. |
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Withdrawn |
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Editorial |
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Editorial |
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Support from Haz Mat. Is it the same as NFPA 99? |
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If UL 2085 is put into the appendix. Explain the removal of Secondary containment. |
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Revise 7902.1.9.2 to reference applicable standard only (not listed and labeled). |
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Support from Haz Mat |
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Support from Haz Mat, they feel they need tables in the UFC for the line personnel to reference. Put in NFPA tables in the body or appendix. Copy Right issues. |
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Change "or the Building Code" to "or the Fire Code". |
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To be consistent, H&S 6.95 states, "…must immediately report any release or threatened release." The OES and EHS agencies in CA use this code. We need to be consistent with them. Keep the word immediately. This will push a state amendment as is for consistency. |
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Leave in immediately and add "or" |
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Threaded has a history of leaks. There is not a plastic solvent on the market that will keep threaded connections from leaking. Define highly volatile corrosive material. |
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Insert the word in 2 statement to read highly toxic and toxic gases… For storage only—use requires treatment. |
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| 40 |
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Will support if the word "approved" construction or "approved" other means are inserted. |
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| 41 |
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These materials come in non-combustible containers but exposure fires are an issue (minimal separation distances from structures and nearby combustibles). Sprinklers cool tanks to prevent release. |
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Take a second look….. |
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Need to protect people in office buildings supporting operation…..release harms all people equally. |
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Replace "not associated with the manufacture or distribution of with "Building not used exclusively for the storage, distribution or manufacture of gases…" |
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Need to mitigate hazard—effluent isn’t always non-toxic |
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Keep language and revise by adding "Effluent classified as highly toxic or toxic gases which could be…" |
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First aide—see FM article on benefits |
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| 46 |
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Do we go to 30B now? |
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See 46 |
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If they add caveats |
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Rocque volunteered to challenge |
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Is this enforceable? Belongs in UWI… |
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Committee thought it was already covered. |
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Needs work. |
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| 53 |
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Covered by State law, No Position. |
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Section 7802.3 only new wording is "see also App. II-L" in item 4. |
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Needs clean up. |
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7904.2.1.1 shall read "When approved by the chief dispensing of flammable and combustible liquids from tank vehicles into the fuel …….government sites, the Chief may also be guided by Appendix II-M". |
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We support the concept. Good idea but overkill for all buildings… add "when required by the Chief". |
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removing the terms "every building" and making it optional to the jurisdiction
as to buildings affected.
Add - Hazardous materials identified by fire code hazard class, with subsections. "When required by the chief a code footprint which provides" delete every, significant and referenced as a code footprint. "shall be provided". +++ lots of changes |
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Haz Mat wants more discussion for some areas of this. |
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To become a pamphlet |
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| 59 |
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Need to ensure we retain intent of current amendments or justify elimination. |
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