IFC Hearings

RESULTS TO THE PROPOSED CHANGES
TO THE FINAL DRAFT OF THE IFC
Costa Mesa, California
March 22-25, 1999

Item No.	Position	Amendments/Modifications or Comments
1	D
2	AS
3	AS
4	AS	Keep "provide" rather than "achieve"
5	D
6	D ASF-P	Hear 6-15 together. Need to eliminate last sentence of 102.1?! Need to coordinate with 9 before St. Lois.
7	D
8	AS DF-P	Need to have 18 also approved (buildings only) - overturned.
9	D ASF-P	Add "new" before both item 1's next time. Include defs from 6
10	D
11	D
12	D
13	D
14	D
15	D
16	D
17	AS	Look at this more closely.
18	D
19	D
20	AS
21	D
22	AS	Need to review
23	AS
24	D	Challenge
25	D
26	D
27	D
28	D
29	D
30	AM	Delete last sentence and "fire" from "code official".
892	AS
31	AS	Clean up - see Kevin
32	AS
33	D
65	AS
34	AM	Retain title "Additional Fire Protection Systems
35	D
36	D
37	D
38	AS
39	D
40	AM	Delete sentence in 105.3.1 "Permits shall not…"
893	D
41	D
42	Withdrawn
43	AS
44	D
46	AM	Amend 105.7.10 Spraying or dipping. An construction permit is required to install or modify any spray rooms, or booths, or dipping tanks.
47	AS
48	D
49	AS
66	AS
50	D
51	AS
52	D
53	D ASF-F
54	AM	Delete #7 aboveground, protected above ground or underground
55	D
56	D
57	AS
59	D
58	AM	Change "utilize" to "use"
60	AS
61	AS
62	D
63	AS
64	AS
67	AS
68	D
69	AS
70	AS
71	AM	Amend 109.2.5 "Failure to comply with a notice of violation" with "Failure to comply with a notice of violation"
72	AS
73	AS
74	AM	Amend 110.4 delete "in the course of an emergency" and delete 202 "Emergency". Amend by deleting 110.1.3.
75	AS
76	D
77	D
78	AM DF-P	Amend by ending definitions with word "facility" to all definitions "Addition", "Alteration", and "Repair".
79	D
80	AS
82	D
83	D
84	Withdrawn
85	D	Yea!!! The Fire Chief/Marshal/Deputies keep their job!!!
86	D
87	D	This was never intended to allow Laura & Tom to operate a central receiving station out of their homes.
88	AS
89	AS	Now we know where rabbit foot charms/keychains come from.
90	Withdrawn
91	AS
92	D
93	Tabled till 3/23	Retain "black-powder" in definition and place after "include but are not limited. Add section 3404.3.3 defining "Detonating Cord"
94	D
894	D
95	D
96	AM	Third line strike "and approved" and strike end of sentence "…and taking any necessary actions to control or extinguish incipient fires." ***Note: Discussions were brought up regarding the village idiot (no one specific).
641	D ASF-F
97	AS
98	D
99	AS
100	D
101	D
102	D
103	AS
104	AS
105	D	George assures us that no humans or bunnies will be used in testing. But then again, the DOT references have been removed.
106	AS
107	D
108	AM	Amend by deleting the word "system" from the second line and the fifth line.
109	AS
110	D
112	AS
113	AS
114	AS	Was approved by the Occupancy Committee
115	AM	Amended by separate modification submitted by proponent.
116	AS
117	D
118	D
111	D
119	D ASF-F
120	AM	Amend 303.5 by changing rating of extinguisher from 20-B:C to 40-B:C.
121	D	References specifics to NFPA 241
122	AS	Amends F120-99 section 303.4 Attendant by deleting exception.
123	AS
124	D	Better language in 126
125	AS
126	AS
127	AS
128	AM	Amend by inserting language in 1504.4 into new section 304.3.1
129	AS
130	Withdrawn
131	D
132	AS
133	AS
134	D
135	AS DF-F	According to the committee; we can be drunk, barbecuing rabbits, and not endanger the rest of an apartment complex when the buildings is fully sprinklered including the decks.
136	D
137	AS
138	AM	Amend by retaining "in assembly or educational occupancies"
139	AS	Editorial changing references "AHJ" to "Code Official"
140	D
141	D
895	AS
142	D
143	D
144	AS	Need to fix so hazmat releases are reported.
162	D
145	D	Challenge - need reporting of incidents but not necessarily response.
146	AM	Amend by move all verbage in 310.1 not underlined and move to 401.3
147	AS
148	AS
149	D
150	D	We'll try again, Mark
151	D
152	D	Consider qualifying vehicle barriers with UL standards - 18" rather than 36" and 12,000 pound force.
153	AS
154	D
155	D	Challenge?
156	AS
157	D
158	AS
159	AM	Leave #2 as in original text (no changes).
160	AM	Now reads: In the event….the owner or occupant shall immediately report such fire to the Fire Department. Building employees and tenants shall implement the appropriate emergency plans and procedures.
161	AS
162	D
163	D
164	AM	Delete "when required by the code official" from 404.2
165	D
166	D
167	D
168	D
169	Withdrawn
170	D
171	AS
172	D
173	AS
174	D
175	D
176	AS
177	AS
179	D
181	AS
182	AM	Add "approved" before "barriers" and delete "in accordance with section 313.1".
183	D
184	AS
185	D
186	D
188	D
189	AS
190	D
191	AS
192	AM	Change "padlock" to "lock"
200	D	Challenge - need to do something about hydrant spacing ($30 - $50/foot for underground main?).
193	D
198	D	Challenge - Carl wants basis for decreasing spacing.
199	D
194	D
195	D
196	AS
197	D ASF-P
201	D
202	AS
203	AM	Delete "or operate" and change 100 gallons to 50.
215	D
216	AM	Change 100 to 50 gallons.
45	D	Need to look at some of this stuff - warranted (research?)?
204	AS
205	AS
206	D ASF-F
207	AS
908	AM	See handout at meeting (item added). Add "repaired or" at start of new wording
208	AM	"Existing installations shall be maintained in compliance with their original approval" as second sentence.
209	AS
611	AS
G138 Pt 2	D	Proposal to IBC to delete Chapter 27 of IFC.
210	D
211	D
212	AS
217	AM	Delete new section 703.1.3
218	AM AS-F DF-P	Change "penetrations" back to "openings". Overturned based on testimony from Dillan regarding ducts!
219	AM	Delete "required".
220	D	Hopper testimony on rating of tiles; Dick on difficulty in doing calculation.
221	AS
222	Withdrawn
223	Withdrawn
224	Withdrawn
225	Withdrawn
909	AS	See handout - item added at meeting.
93	AM	added "3404.3.3 Detonation Cord"
226	AS
227	D	Challenge - need to correlate to eliminate conflicts.
230	D
231	D
232	Withdrawn
233	D
234	AM	Delete "diagonally" and change "one inch" to "one-half inch".
235	AS	Same as 234 revised.
237	D
238	D
240	AM	Delete "and water level in the tree stand".
241	D
242	D
243	D
244/245	AM	Add "flame resistant" before "decorative material".
RB 309 PT 2	D
246	AS
247	AS
248	Heard by IBC
249	D
250	AS
251	D
252	D
253	D
254	D
255	D
256	D
257	AM DF-F
258	AM	Delete "in accordance with this code"…..
259	D
260	AS
261	D
262	AM	New definition of PEL approved in 106 - delete this one.
263	D
266	D
267	D
268	D
271	AS DF-F
269	D
270	W
272	D
273	D
274	AS	Look at this
275	D
276	AS	Look at this
277	D	Sprinks
278	AS DF-P	Sprinks - Carl on need a record/risk to require. Challenge for residential?!
279	D
280	AS
281	D
282	AS
283	Withdrawn
284/285	AS	Carl - NFPA data used for current requirements. Point of origin did not involve multiple areas or common exit systems?!
286	D	Carl - Stats say no prob in hotels?! Gene Eckard stats: 475 deaths in 1997?
287	Withdrawn
288	AS
289	AS
290	D
291	D
292	D ASF-F
293	AS
294	D
295	Withdrawn
296	AS
297	AS
298	D
299	D
374	Withdrawn
376	Withdrawn
396	AS	Challenge - Tradeoffs for 13-R? Attic protection not required - fire data on starts in attics! 903.1.2 does not allow tradeoffs… (delete from IFC and IBC?).
427	AS
465	AS
472	AS
180	AS
187	AS	Challenge - see reason for 396. Argument for "throughout" and 13-R - interpretation issues.
228	AS
229	Withdrawn
236	AS
883	AS	Reduce fireflow for 3-R
885	AS
300	D	See fire data!!!!!
302	AS
303	Withdrawn
304	D
305	D
314	AM	Delete "and that are not exposed by other areas". Look at new number 7?!
306	D	Look at what's exempted (batteries, electrical)?! Talk to Kevin.
312	D
308	AS
307	D	Give data on open parking garages and impact of sprinks on vehicle protection.
309	Withdrawn
310	Withdrawn
311	D
312	D
313	D
315	D
316	AS
320	D
321	D
322/323	AS
474	D
897	Withdrawn
324	D
325	AS
326	AS
327	D
330	AM	Put period after "approved location" and remove all text until the last underlined sentence. Also delete exception.
328	D
329	Withdrawn
317	Withdrawn
318	D
319	D
301	D
331	D
332	D
333	AS
334	Withdrawn
335	D
336	Withdrawn
337	D
338	D
339	Withdrawn
340	Withdrawn
343	D
341	AM	Change "supervisory alarm" to "supervisory signal" in 3^RD to last line. Hook up extinguishing system to alarm system if present
342	AS
344	Withdrawn
345	D
346	Withdrawn
347	AS
348	D
349	AS
350	AS	Class K extinguishers w/cooking equipt. Using vegetable and animal oils.
351	Withdrawn
352	D
353	AS
356	AS
355	Withdrawn
362	D	See hose length/weight info. findings for standpipes in large buildings.
361	D	Challenge - come up with good numbers! Work out scenarios which include max. distance from access roadway.
363	AS	Challenge - fix language. Rely on NFPA 14 for when standpipes can be dry?!
364	D	Challenge - eliminate section?
365	AS
367	D
366	AS
370	AS
368	D
371	D
369	Withdrawn
372	D
373	AS
374	Withdrawn
375	D
376	Withdrawn
377	D
378	D
385	D
384	AM	Delete "where the building" from the exception.
380	D
383	AS
381	D ASF-F	See stats on extinguisher vs sprinkler and dollar loss when each is used.
382	D	See stats on extinguisher use.
379	D	Good point on human nature to attempt to extinguish and safety risk of not having an extinguisher.
644	Withdrawn
214	AM	Challenge - fix toxic classification. See substitute with amendments. Work with Jeff.
213	AM	Retain number 2.
265	AM DF-F	Challenge? See substitute page. Reference to 903.1.1 - "throughout" conflicts with 13-R (Rick Thorneberry).
357	D
358	D
359	D
360	AM	See amendment sheet
386	D
387	AM	Change "A" to "A-5" occupancies.
388	D
389	AM	Retain sentence beginning with "Sizing and distribution…. " and add "and" before "in accordance with….".
390	AS
391	AM	Delete "sequence of events" (covered by change to 390).
393	AS
394	AS
392	Withdrawn
404	AS
403	AS
398	AS
400	AS
397	AS	Challenge? See definition of "fire wall" in IBC first.
402	Withdrawn
399	D	Greg Victor will challenge to fix. See substitute for 907.2.
407	D	Minnesota will challenge to fix.
395	Withdrawn
401	D
408	AS
406	AS
405	D
409	AS
410	D
412	AM	Look at this! Delete alarms in all H except H-5
413	Withdrawn
414	D
415	Withdrawn
416	D
417	D
418	AS
419	AS
420	AS
421	Withdrawn
422	AS
423	AS
424	D	Challenge to fix - Gene Boecker.
425	AS
426	AS	Challenge? Need to look at impact of adding alarm requirements to sprinkled buildings where not currently required (check UFC). Lots of similar changes.
429 PT1	D
428 PT1	D
RB 293 PT 2	D
RB 294 PT 2	D
RB 295 PT 2	D
RB 296 PT 2	D
RB 297 PT 2	AS DF-P
431	D
432	AS	Challenge - reduce requirements for smoke detectors?!
433	Withdrawn
430	D
RB 298 PT 2	D
RB 299 PT 2	D
RB 300 PT 2	D
RB 301 PT 2	No Action
RB 302 PT 2	No Action
434	AM	add "and" between "smoke" and "not connected…" if definition.
RB 303 PT 2	D
435 PT 1	D
436	AM	"…two or more smoke detectors, a single smoke detector with alarm verification, the…".
437	AS	???
441	AS
439/442	D
440	D	Challenge - could support with some additional work
438	Withdrawn
443	D
446	D
444	AM	Add "elevator equipment" and "machine rooms". See high rise stats
445	AS
446	D
447	D
898	AS	Look at this
448	D
449	AS
411	AS DF-P
450/452	AS
451	AS
453	AS
455	D
454	D	RJA to challenge to fix
456	D
457	D
458	D
459	D
264	AS
460	AS
462	D
463	Withdrawn
464/461	D
466	AS
467	D
468	D	Challenge to clean-up - help Minnesota. Goes with 407.
469	D
81	D
470	AS
471	AS
899	AS
473	D
475	AS
476	D	Look at exception to exception
477	AM	Move exception under "E" occupancies, exception 3.
900	AS	Are there listed covers? Challenge by Hoppel.
478	AS
479	D
480	D
481	AS
482	AS
483	AS
491	D
490	D
487	AS
492	AS
489	D
485	Withdrawn
486	AS
484	D
488	D
493	D
494	AS
495	AS
496	Withdrawn
907	D	See addition to monograph (handout)
497	AS
498	AS
499	AS
500	AS
501	D
502	D
503	AS
505	AS
506	AS
507	AS
512	AS
508	D
509	Withdrawn
510	D
511	AS	Challenge - work on sentence added to 909.16.3 no. 2
513	D
514	AS
515	D
522	AS
516	D
517	D
519	D
518	D
520	D
521	AS
523	AM	Delete "adjacent to the following statement" and the statement.
533	AS
901	AS
535	D ASF-F
536	D
537	D
538	D
539	D
E347	D
E348	D
541	D
E349	AS
E350	AS
E149 PT2	D ASF-F
E351	Withdrawn
E504	AM	See revision on handout (Hopple)
E352	AM
E353	AS
E354	D
E355	Withdrawn
E356	AS
E357	AS
E358	AS
E359	AM
542	AM	See substitute. Need maintenance provisions for exiting!
540	Withdrawn
543	Withdrawn
544	AS
545	D
546	D
547	AS
548	AS
549	AM	add "or taken out of service" after "repaired" and replace "should" with "shall.
550	AS
551	AS
552	AS
739	AS
553	D
554	D
555	AS DF-F
556	D
557	AS
558	AS
559	D
560	AM	add "atmosphere below" after "…sufficient to maintain…" and delete "exhaust duct at a powder concentration that will not exceed"….(rest unchanged).
562	AM	replace "verification" with "documentation"
563	AS
564	AS
565	D
566	AS	See substitute on handout.
567	AS
568	D
569	D
570	AS
571	D
572	AS
573	D
574	AS
575	AS
576	AS	Challenge to fix "in the original shipping container"??
577	AM	Change section reference to 2104.2.
578	D
579	D
580	D	Challenge: Good change - make specific references to NFPA rather than general.
581	AM	Change section reference to 105.4.
582	D
583	D
584	AM	Add "or equal to" to table (less than or equal to 6,000 gallons) and change Class III to Class III-A. YUK! NFPA 30A allows unprotected ASTs and is within scope of 35.
585	Withdrawn
586	D
587	AS
588	D
589	D
590	AM	Change "…comply with this section and…" to "…comply with NFPA 30A and…".
591	D
592	AS
593	D
594	D	Challenge - need vapor recovery provision as 30A doesn't have it updated yet.
595	D	Add footnote d to "dispenser for Class I liquids" in first column of table under "Lubrication or service room with dispensing".
596	D
597	D
598	AM	Eliminate last sentence of 2311.3.1; Eliminate from …"or berthed at fuel docks…" to "…not be made fast to" from 2311.4.4; Add "Fire extinguishers in accordance with 906, each having…." To charging sentence of 2311.5.4.
599	D
600	AS
601	Withdrawn
602	D
603	D
604	AS
605	AM	Add "mechanical" between "with" and "ventilation".
606	AS
607	D	Like only long underlined sentence in each paragraph, not 20% or new definitions. Fix in challenge.
608	D
609	AS
610	D
612	D
613	Withdrawn
561	AM	Reference 28 for allowable amts. Look at this.
614	D
615	D
619	AS
525	D
620	D
621	D
524	D
526	D
530	AS
616	D
624	AS
617	AS
527	D
528	AM	end first sentence at "designed to operate automatically". Delete rest.
618	D
529	D
531	Withdrawn
532	D
622	AS
623	AS
625	D
626	D
627	D	Let NFPA 231C Committee handle?
628	D
629	Withdrawn
630	AS
631	Withdrawn
632	AS
633	D
634	AM	Retain stricken last sentence in item 1.
635	D
902	AS
636	AS
637	Withdrawn
639	D	See change made in 636.
638	Withdrawn
640	AS
642	D
643	D
645	AM	Delete word "storage" in 3^rd line.
644	Withdrawn
646	AS
655	AS DF-P	Need to watch for this again!
648	AS
647	AS
649	D
654	AM
652	D
534	AM
653	D
651	AS
650	AM	Add "consumer" between "original" and "packaging". Challenge - Need to remove from IBC (George said this is in). South feels ok as no loss or injury history - STATS?
656	AM	Retain the words "an approved" in 3^rd to last line.
657	D
658	D
659	AS
660	AM	Change "nonreactive" to "compatible" in both places; deleted added text "or an approved alternative" from 2801.2.2.
661	D
665	D
667	AS
670	AM
671	Withdrawn
663	Withdrawn
666	AS
664	AM	Change quantity to 125 lbs in both tables.
669	AS
668	AM	Change quantity to 1.3 gal (5 L).
662	D
672	D
673	AM
674	AM	Change quantity to 1.3 gal (5 L)
O389	AS
675	AS	Challenge?
676	AS
677	Withdrawn
679	AS
681	D
680	D
678	D
682	D
683	AS
684	D
685	AS
686	AS
687	D
688	AS	Challenge - remove gases? See 696 action first.
689	AS
690	AS
691	D
692	AS
693	D
694	Withdrawn
178	D
695	AS	Challenge?- large quants outside
698	Withdrawn
696	AS	This fixed issue in 688?
697	Withdrawn
O389	AS
699	D	Challenge? Need to talk about M and S occs! Large quants and big containers!
700	D	No loss history?
701	D
702	D
703	AM	Change to "not required" for Class 1 oxidizers indoor use and Unstable and water reactive materials outdoor use.
705	AS	Challenge? No separation?
706	D
707	D
708	D
709	AM	Include 3505.3.3.4.3 change to read "explosion control shall be in accordance with Section 911." (correlation with previous changes).
710	D
711	Withdrawn
712	D
713	AS
714	AM	Add "systems for" prior to highly toxic.
715	AM	Parts 1 and 3 only
716	AS
718	Withdrawn
717	AS
719	D
720	D
721	AM	Delete "Chapters 2, 3 and 6 of" from sentence.
722	D
723	AM	Leave table alone.
724	AM	add "this chapter and" before NFPA 57 and 59A.
725	AS
726	D
727	AM
729	AM	Add "in an approved manner" after "shall be marked" and delete rest of sentence.
728	D
730	D
731	D
732	D
733	AS
734	Withdrawn
736	AS
737	AS
738	AS
740	D
741	AM	End sentence at "not allowed." In exception c.
742	AS
743	AS
744	AM	Change exception from "constructed and operated" to "separated".
745	AS
746	AM	Change "posted" back to "available".
747	AS
749	D
750	Withdrawn
748	AM	Only change to exception 2 of 3506.8.1 is approved. See NFPA references for specific provisions.
751	D
755	Withdrawn
753	AM	Delete only exception 1 of 3501.1.2.
754	D
756	D
752	AS
757	AS
758	AS
759	Withdrawn
760	AM	Delete "and NFPA 30" from last sentence.
761	D
762	AS
764	AS
763	D
765	AS
766	AS
767	D
768	AS
769	D
770	D
771	D
773	D
772	D
774	D
775	Withdrawn
776	D
777	Withdrawn
778	D
779	Withdrawn
780	D
781	D
782	D
784	AS
783	D
785	D
789	Withdrawn
790	AS
788	D
791	D
792	D
793	AS
794	D
795	AS
796	AS
797	AM	Add reference to NFPA 30.
798	AS
799	D
800	D
801	D
802	Withdrawn
803	AS
804	Withdrawn
805	AS
806	D
807	AM	Leave "section" as last word of sentence in 3504.4.3.1.
808	Withdrawn
809	AM	add "up to" before "…3 cabinets..".
810	AS
811	D
812	AS
813	Withdrawn
814	AS	Challenge - better to choose one protection table! Also, need to address specific references to another doc - what happens when changed?
820	AS	Challenge - same reason as above.
815	AS
816	AS
817	D	Testing ongoing and based on ability of fire department to respond within 30 minutes - will only hold fire (Dwight from Phoenix). Watch for references to NFPA 30 Table 3504.4-K.
818	D
819	Withdrawn
821	D
823	AS
824	Withdrawn
825	D ASF-F
826	Withdrawn
827	D
828	Withdrawn
829	D
830	AS	Challenge - no spill control/containment for III-B?
831	D ASF-F
903	AS
832	D
786	AM	Combine with 787 - see substitute by Shapiro and Victor. Add sentence to 3504.3.2.8.11: "Failure of fire detection system failure shall shut down the dispensing system." (Scott).
787	D
833	D
836	D
835	AS
834	AS
837	AS
838	D
839	D
840	AM	Only the last sentence approved. Applies to III-B also.
841	D
842	AS
843	Withdrawn
904	AS
906	AS
845	AS
844	D
846	AS	Look at change to 4203.1.2.3 - change intent?
847	AM	Change chapter reference for cryogenic vessel from 22 to 33.
848	D
849	Withdrawn
850	D
851	D
852	Withdrawn
853	AS	Look at this one
854	AM	Challenge? Add "on outdoor tanks" after "Pressure relief devices…." And keep rest of exception.
857	AM	Challenge Tom has 'em
858	D	Challenge? See 857 as modified.
856	Withdrawn
859	Withdrawn
860	AS
861	D
862	D
863	D
864	D
865	AS	Look at this!
866	Withdrawn
867	D	No justification for regulating on buildings with same process.
868	AS	Look at this!
869	D
870	D
871	AS
872	AS
873	AS
874	Withdrawn
875	D
876	AS
877	AS
878	D	Talk to Ron and Larry - low melt point pipe. Standard prohibits most bad pipes (e.g., plastic). Low melt point materials addressed in Appendix of standard - allowed if additional protection. Reason for denial "different wording for Standard" (not here).
879	D	Going to see more due to wrapping fireworks to prevent fallout. Need to update Chapter.
880	AS	Ideas on local appeal amendment
881	AS
882	AM	Leave in "without openings".
884	D	Look at concentric cul-de-sac as optional turnaround.
886	D
887	Withdrawn
888	D
889	AS
890	Withdrawn
891	AS

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