California Fire Chiefs Association
Fire Prevention Officers Section
Southern Division
General Membership Meeting
San Marino – Huntington Library
June 9, 2004
Minutes
BOARD OF DIRECTORS PRESENT:
Karyn Vaudreuil -1st Vice President
Hank Teran- Operations Dir.
Kevin Scott- 2nd Vice President
Ken Kraus - Secretary
Ken Quick - Treasurer
Penni Overstreet- Murphy -Judge Advocate
Pledge of Allegiance: Led by Robert Nolan
Welcome:
Recognition of Chiefs: None present
Recognition of Past Presidents: Penni Overstreet-Murphy
Self-Introductions: Determination of Quorum: 33 Attendees. ??
Sergeant at Arms: Brad Dotts
Kevin Scott reviewed meeting schedule. Next month’s meeting: July 14 in Irvine at the new OCFA facility located at: 1 Fire Authority Road, Irvine, 92602 Program: Hydrogen vehicles.
August meeting: Carlsbad. Program, Hoarding
Membership was encouraged to RSVP in a timely manner to help provide an accurate count for meals and facility details.
CFPI Workshop, March 14-18 in Buelton. The Workshop Committee is currently seeking suggestions for programs and classes.
Ken Quick - Renewal notices will go out by July 1. Invoices should be processed quickly to help us balance our books. Renewals not received promptly will only be accepted at the New Member rate.
John Haberek - Hand out (www.leginfo.gov) has most of the Bills currently on the radar. 3 are of primary importance:
-AB 2065 – Nakano – will repeal 1896 and require fire sprinklers in R-2 (6 or less) occupancies. Coordinators: Bob Gebel/John Haberek. CFCA Position: SUPPORT
To Health/Human Services Comm – June 23
-AB 2343 – Nation – Sprinklers in Schools (New and Modernization) This helps fix some of the inadequacies of 575.
To Education Comm June 21
Committee is working on a flyer/insert for the O.C. Register for Fire Prevention week in October.
Homesafetycouncil.com has a free smoke alarm program, details online.
Next Meeting on July 13 in La Habra Heights. Barbara Massey from Genesis will be the speaker on Obsessive Compulsive Hoarding Disorder.
Ken Quick added that we could receive questions on a newly approved voice activated smoke alarms.
Ken Kraus - The Comm meeting of June 3 was cancelled due to a scheduling conflict. Next meeting the Comm will finish the CBC/IBC/5000 "A" Occupancy comparison.
Code Development Update – ICC - Final Action Hearing last month in Kansas, Final Actions available online.
Submittal deadline for the ‘04/’05 Monograph/Public Hearing is Aug 20, 04 Monograph available December/’04,
Public Hearing – February ’05 in Cincinnati
Handout
NFPA - Committees Accepting Proposals list is online.
The most time critical Standards are 10,14, 68, 418, 750 and 12 others that close on June 24.
Handout
Kevin Scott – Presented overview of BSC’s Coordinating Council (CC) meeting of June 2. Aug. 2 is the SFM’s deadline for annual rule making proposals. Submittals must be sent to the OSFM ASAP.
DSA is submitting significant seismic amendments.
The DSA, HCD, OSPHD, and SFM offices have stopped working on the CA amendments to the NFPA set of codes. Two primary reasons: Copyright infringement issue and resource challenges due to annual rulemaking timeframe constraints.
This will delay further the code adoption to 2007 –2012. This means that California may be enforcing a modified 1997 UBC for another 8 years.
Discussion at CC meeting re implementation issues related to the NFPA codes and delineating options. DSA, HCD, OSHPD, and SFM agreed the discussion should occur after the Attorney General’s opinion on copyright issues is rendered. This discussion has been placed on the agenda for the Aug 4, 2004 meeting.
The Comm is soliciting additional topics for the Workshop!
1. CFCA, Liaison Chief Not Present Phil Garcia
Due to the dynamic nature of the issues, the handout available at the meeting will be updated and redistributed.
Overview of BSC CC meeting with some of the details previously presented by Kevin Scott.
Re staffing - the OSFM has been reduced (in the North) to Rodney Slaughter and Leslie Haberek
The Aug 4 meeting date was set with the hope that a SFM appointment could occur prior to the meeting.
All agencies are waiting for the Aty. Gen opinion.
Disagreement continues on whether or not the BSC’s decision last year was consistent with Sate law.
Agency reps attending the CC meeting were not qualified/felt delay was prudent for code decision.
ICC outside counsel present, monitoring copyright and other issues.
NFPA in attendance
S-02-04 expired (May 17.2004), with covered changes virtually unaffected by it’s requirements.
Practical deadline for Parts 2 and 9 annual changes (to the OSFM) is June 16.
Orange County Ordinance has been submitted.
FLSBSAB meeting scheduled for July 6. The annual submittals will be reviewed at that time. Code Adoption issue not on the agenda. Various Code Advisory Comm’s will meet on several dates.
UWI Federal Grant was set to expire prior to completion of work, which needed to incorporate Blue Ribbon recommendations. Grant extended to Dec 30. Emergency provisions could take effect by Dec.
SB 1896 – The OSFM received an e-mail from Sen Ortiz’s office requested a summary of issues and codification of 1896.
Summary contained the following: Approved in May 2002 as an emergency. 2 extensions, the last of which expired on 1-8-04.
OSFM also sent the express terms for Part 2 and 9 and included how 2065 could effect 1896.
Kevin Scott interjected how the FPO’s had been asked to support 1896. Membership had previously approved a SUPPORT position.
John Haberek participated on the Comm and discussed how the original position of the FPO’s was to upgrade these R-2’s to have similar fire protection requirements as I’s. The determination of ambulatory status still under DSS.
The ultimate compromise of 1 bedridden client was rationalized (by equivocating that scenario with the home care of a relative) and a commitment form the SFM to "take care of that" through annual rule making.
The FPO’s felt constrained to support 1896 even though it represented code degradation.
Leslie Haberek inquired how many jurisdictions had experienced problems, since the emergency regs had expired. No problems (because of the lack of regs) were reported. This may speak to the "urgency" of 1896 with 2065 under consideration.
Bob Gebel expressed that 2065 is the lead issue at this point, passage would solve our problems, and that that the FPO’s should ask the OSFM to not resubmit 1896. Teams from the North and South will address members of the H&HS Comm in person to outline the merits of 2065.
OSFM currently has no position on 2065 since the Gov. has not formalized the State’s opinion.
The FPO’s are in support of 2065. This is consistent with the Cal Chiefs position.
The OSFM supported the full sprinkler provisions of the original 1896, but modified the language to reflect the laundry list of alternate methods per political direction.
AB 1361 – resembling these Bills in some ways, has also expired and could be resubmitted through the annual process.
Next meeting at UL in Santa Clara.
Highlights – All "A" Occupancies will be sprinklered at 100.
Panic Hardware back to 50 from existing 100.
Hydrogen fueled vehicles getting big support from DOE.
City of Phoenix, Arizona - Code Review Committee recommended that the City Council adopts the IBC, IRC, and Existing Building Codes. [An existing decision stands that dictates that the companion fire code would be adopted.]
D. UNFINISHED BUSINESS None
E. NEW BUSINESS
Jim Langhorne commented how well many replacement projects have gone in Montecito and supplied the name of Tom McDonald with Central. Contact information was received subsequent to the meeting, Phone # 800.523.6512 ext. 161.
Janet Baylor mentioned that Anaheim had a problem with replacement program.
Ken Quick also recounted a problem with a Historic Hotel.
Brad Dotts attended a Hoarding seminar in O.C. 100 persons are on the waiting list to receive training.
This problem may be a shipping issue. UL is addressing.
Presented by Dennis Stangeland – Ingersoll Rand LACoFD Ret’d
VI. ADJOURNMENT 1515 Hours
EXECUTIVE BOARD MEETING
meeting.
Reward solicitation restrictions. Each member should follow their jurisdiction’s protocols.
Marketing – Shirts and Mugs are not selling. Discussed reducing price.
Membership - Invoices are going to go out the end of June. Those on the list that have not paid have a last chance.
Each renewal will receive a card and roster. Ken Q. will fax renewal forms received to Kevin to facilitate database update.
Discussed adding member # to registration form.
The Christmas program should have a presentation, rather than just lunch (easier to justify reimbursement, not necessarily a program. Discussion about honoring Past Presidents.
Discussion re staying overnight, as another way for the Board to interact.
Website – Old information on the CFCA website. Contact
Phil Garcia
Roster will not appear on our site. There
is no need and Fort’s fees would be prohibitive.
Members on other Committees – HOLD
Discussed problems with Pub Ed Comm. Co-chair situation not effective. They need to overcommunicate. Discussed Robert Nolan taking one spot.
Outreach – LACoFD had a few guests.
Legislation – Discussed attending the BSC CC meeting on Aug 4th.
2065 going to Health and Human Services in the Senate on June 23.
John Haberek gave brief over-view of the meeting he and Rick Terry attended in Virginia. We should stay the course; our level of protection in these Occupancies sets the standard. Many jurisdictions shelter-in-place in large non-sprinklered care homes.
DSS has changed their inspection frequency from annual to every 5 years. This will lead to degraded fire protection conditions. Pub Ed could organize PSA spots to help inform public.
1369 – One of many UWI Bills, primarily for private sector. Other bills may manifest aspect s of Blue Ribbon findings.
Legislation/ Regs/ Annual Rule Making – Laura will contact Bob about letter (send copy)
Verify that OCFA submittal re Titles19 & 24 attempt to reconcile to (or in) Title 24.
NorCal Resolution on UWI certification – Contact Rolland Crawford or Don Oaks for clarification of possible effects.
Agree with North that we should pursue, through CFCA’s Washington Lobbyist, legislation or other appropriate action to enhance current Central Sprinkler Program. Action Required
Website Budget Estimate - Approve South’s portion f $1732.50.
Board discussed the need to have a detailed backup administrator plan in place.
Adjournment
Items not specifically covered in these Executive Board minutes that appeared on the E Board Minutes were effectively tabled until our next meeting due to time constraints.
Respectfully Submitted:
Ken Kraus, Secretary